00:21:04 Pamela Martinez: https://theclimatecenter.org/events/the-science-of-carbon-dioxide-removal-what-is-it-and-is-it-needed/ 00:22:58 Ajith Weerasinghe: was the last webinar recorded? 00:23:30 Melissa Romero: Yes! Check out the first link in the chat 00:24:40 emma De La Rosa: Can the slides be shared? 00:25:24 Melissa Romero: Yes, you will get the slides and a recording of the webinar 00:25:43 Pamela Martinez: https://cdrprimer.org/read/glossary 00:26:58 Gary Hughes: BiCRS is a rebranding of BECCS since globally BECCS is being rejected. 00:27:54 Gary Hughes: Even the Tories in the UK are speaking out against BECCS now. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/tories-withdraw-support-for-drax-carbon-capture-plan-vs9s5rxr2 00:28:38 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/asha-sharma/ 00:28:59 Gary Hughes: Drax is by the way working to get established in California. However The Climate Center has been totally silent on this major threat to our forests and communities. https://www.landclimate.org/drax-west-coast/ 00:31:50 The Climate Center: Bio for Akash Rastogi - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DDMnHq7uXdTqJoxcKgVD-tMOudbvdVd4/edit 00:36:59 Jim Wilson: Time to come together on forest biomass solutions that preserve forests as near term net carbon sinks, considering the 2030 net zero limit. 00:40:43 Gary Hughes: This article by David Ho shows that the CDR ‘Time Machine” narrative is misleading, at best. “Carbon dioxide removal is not a current climate solution — we need to change the narrative” https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00953-x 00:41:45 Pamela Martinez: Please direct your questions to the Q&A feature. Thank you! 00:42:08 Gary Hughes: This article by some of the worlds leading oceanographers is a must read for understanding the risks mCDR presents to our oceans and the communities that depend on them. “Laying waste to the deep: parallel narratives of marine carbon dioxide removal and deep-seabed mining” https://www.nature.com/articles/s44183-024-00075-5 00:42:23 Avery Colter: Is there any body of knowledge being built of species most endangered by acidification, and are there any checks being done of the effect on these of these various OCDR methods? 00:42:53 Pamela Martinez: https://www2.oceanvisions.org/roadmaps/remove/mcdr/ 00:43:26 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/dr-charlotte-levy/ 00:45:10 Greg Rau: @ Gary Hughes get in touch - grau@ucsc.edu - Greg 00:49:41 Greg Rau: What’s the X axis here? 00:51:14 Gary Hughes: Our organization Biofuelwatch has been researching biochar for well more than a decade, our most recent report “Biochar: a Critical Perspective / What does the science tell us about whether biochar reliably stores carbon and boosts soil fertility?” Is available on our website https://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Biochar-briefing-2024.pdf 00:52:35 Jane Sooby: Quick question, Gary: might the benefit of the biochar be offset by the energy required to produce it? 00:52:59 Gary Hughes: California is home to one of the worlds most important carbon dense forests: the redwood temperate rainforest ecosystem. Unfortunately well more than a million acres of the redwood ecosystem is kept in a permanent state of degradation because of timber extraction. 00:53:15 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/dr-daniel-l-sanchez/ 00:54:33 Chris Gilbert: Can the screen be made bigger? 00:54:59 Maya Khosla: For Dr. Levy: Can you comment on the carbon loss from post-fire clearcutting vs carbon loss from wildfires themselves in light of comprehensive work done by Dr. Bev Law? She finds that carbon loss from forest removals = 5 times more than carbon loss from wildfires. 00:55:50 Pamela Martinez: Please direct your questions to the Q&A feature. Thank you! 00:58:04 Erika Morgan: Concur with the request to enlarge the screen. His language is technical, I'm hoping the graphics will help but I can't read them! 00:58:49 Gary Hughes: People wanting to learn more about BECCS might find this brand new report from Natural Resources Defense Council of interest - “The BECCS Hoax” - https://www.nrdc.org/resources/beccs-hoax 00:59:56 Maya Khosla: Thanks - will check out the NRDC report... And will place Qs in the Q&A. 01:02:37 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/dr-shaye-wolf/ 01:03:46 Gary Hughes: California had a pulp industry, it is a case study in industrial leakage. For instance there used to be two pulp mills on Humboldt Bay. To not understand that history is to misrepresent the situation. The closure of pulp mills in California was part of the move the pulp industry to the global south. Now the pulp industry is a source of massive environmental degradation and social conflict in places like Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, and Mato Grosso do Sul in Brasíl. As the environment was protected in California the pulp industry fled to the global south. 01:03:53 Maya Khosla: https://biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/carbon-capture-and-storage/pdfs/CCS-explainer.pdf 01:07:08 Melissa Romero: Carbon Dioxide Removal = removing existing carbon that is already in the atmosphere. Carbon Capture and Storage= capturing emissions at the point source before it is emitted. 01:08:18 Maya Khosla: Will be good to hear about the post-removal monitoring to understand if the removal is in fact "locked" in place. 01:10:10 Avery Colter: We have activity in our area to question and protest plans for a carbon dumping ("CCS") project across the Sacramento River btw Antioch & Vacaville areas of California 01:10:15 rich c: breathe in 01:10:16 The Climate Center: For further information from the Center of Biological Diversity - https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/debunking_the_biomass_myth/index.html 01:11:03 Linda Rudolph: Avery - what is the name of that project, please? 01:11:13 Jim Wilson: Good to hear your presentation in short form, Shaye. 01:11:50 Avery Colter: The Montezuma NorCal Carbon Sequestration Hub 01:12:03 Kathy Dervin: thanks melissa. But some DAC is built on to the same infrastructure ( energy to capture the carbon), conveyance of CO2 captured from air ( pipelines), and sequesteation and likely hazards ( short and longterm).. 01:12:05 MARK POMERANTZ: What about using iron compounds in fields to drawn CO2 from the atmosphere? 01:12:14 Avery Colter: Food and Water Watch sent an email on this. 01:12:24 Dennis Uyat: Excellent question. 01:12:33 Pamela Martinez: Please direct your questions to the Q&A feature. Thank you! 01:13:40 Maya Khosla: Thanks so much Shaye for asking such important questions! 01:13:44 Gary Hughes: @Linda, short name is Montezuma Carbon Hub — https://www.sunflower-alliance.org/the-montezuma-carbon-capture-and-sequestration-project-coming-our-way/ 01:14:07 Linda Rudolph: Thanks Gary and Avery 01:14:21 Greg Rau: Thanks Dan 01:14:23 Anne Gero-Stillwell: I'm bothered too, by cutting short every presentation. can you shorten the in-between talk? skip the intros, post the content, planfewer talks, go longer... 01:16:02 Scott Salyer: Appreciate both of your perspectives! 01:16:03 Alex R: Thank you! 01:16:25 Avery Colter: Obviously will be a great thing when all renewables are produced using all renewable energy. 01:16:33 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/dr-peter-psarras/ 01:16:44 Beverly DesChaux: climate Ctr always has too many presenters to do justice to what presenters have to offer 01:17:16 Avery Colter: It's like the CNN "Hollywood Squares" of advocates! 01:17:48 Maya Khosla: Let's give the Climate Center credit for doing a great job bringing voices together. This is super important - I want to thank them. 01:18:07 Jane Sooby: 👏 01:18:25 Ariel Xi: 👍 01:18:39 Avery Colter: 💖 01:20:22 Dennis Uyat: 👏 01:20:33 Linda Rudolph: +++ really appreciate the education about these issues - very important and very helpful 01:20:48 Fatima Iqbal-Zubair: yes thank you to Climate Center and EnviroVoters for cohosting this series! Baani is doing a great job moderating. I'm sure constructive, respectful feedback is appreciated. 01:20:53 The Climate Center: @MAYA - THANKS! 01:21:07 Kathy Dervin: Early in the 2022 CARB Scoping plan process ( summer 2021) there was a panel with a number of presentations on geo engineered CDR. I think presenters had a little more than 7 minutes. https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/resources/documents/2022-scoping-plan-update-engineered-carbon-removal-technical-workshop 01:21:15 Janice HABERMEHL: How can I save the chat?? It won't let me copy and paste. 01:21:33 Pamela Martinez: The chat text will be shared along with the recording and presentations. Thanks! 01:21:34 The Climate Center: @ Janice - It will be shared with all registrants after the webinar 01:21:51 Janice HABERMEHL: OK! Thanks. 01:21:58 The Climate Center: @ Laura - Yes it will 01:22:00 Gary Hughes: Please see the brand new report from the Center for International Environmental Law (w/inputs from Biofuelwatch and others) that describes the threats to biodiversity and human rights from enhanced rock weathering and DAC and other speculative climate technologies. “The Risks of Geoengineering: Accelerating Biodiversity Loss and Compounding Planetary Crises” This was published for the Convention on Biological Diversity COP 16 happening now in Cali, Colombia. https://www.ciel.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/CIEL_briefing_The-Risks-of-Geoengineering_October2024.pdf 01:23:43 Dennis Uyat: Amazing resources Gary thank you. 01:23:59 Zachary Price: My company is already doing ERW in Oregon using Olivine byproduct 01:24:42 Kathy Dervin: Thanks to all at TCC and Ca Env Voters for bringing these imp. topics together and thanks to all the speakers 01:25:16 The Climate Center: For more information on what Pete is covering please visit these links after the webinar - https://cdrprimer.org/ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpepLuZ-GeU 01:25:24 The Climate Center: https://theclimatecenter.org/about/people/dr-charles-harvey/ 01:26:52 Douglas Bevington: The final speaker should be given the same amount of time as the other speakers, instead of being told to he has less time. 01:27:01 Avery Colter: One good news story earlier this week in PV Magazine is planning in the Central Valley for agrovoltaic infrastructure. https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/10/17/california-farmers-developing-20-gw-solar-plus-storage-plan/?utm_source=USA+%7C+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c77c234217-dailynl_us&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_80e0d17bb8-c77c234217-159107517&ct=t%28dailynl_us%29&fbclid=IwY2xjawF_gvxleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTcE7XVAzdzBVsYJNtF-YCB2jYYzSYZOHYfybfLDBtXtQgDBoondch-MYg_aem_nsXS6Ex-xjtzYmuALhq4fQ 01:28:56 Dennis Uyat: Wow 01:29:18 Dennis Uyat: I didn't consider where the power would come from to operate these technologies. 01:30:41 Tom Conlon: Comment: It would be great to see Drs. Sanchez and Wolf discuss and come to agreement on a comprehensive calculation methodology for determining full lifecycle costs and net GHG emissions of these emerging biomass technologies. Trust (which is needed for successful commercialization at scale) will only materialize from honest and transparent science, not talking past one another. 01:31:33 Maya Khosla: Thanks so much - amazing to think about the massive costs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KObewsFHA1U 01:31:50 Avery Colter: Sounds like even the embodied carbon of manufacturing renewable hardware - an argument posed by fossil proponents - is small compared to the CCS impact. 01:32:06 Stacie Banks: Natural geothermal energy in Iceland is one of the reasons the first scaled DAC plant was placed there, plus the young Basalts available make it a great place store the CO2 underground. 01:32:21 Erika Morgan: I hope we will receive ALL the slides, including the ones that have been skipped over to accommodate time limits. 01:32:58 Melissa Romero: Yes Erika! you will get all of the slides 01:33:15 Fatima Iqbal-Zubair: what a great line up! 01:34:02 Greg Rau: @Charlie - but you’re saying we don’t need CDR? That’s not what the IPCC is saying. 01:34:30 Ariel Xi: Thank you! Wish we could have a longer session with all the speakers 01:34:58 Melissa Romero: I wish too Ariel! It was important to have multiple perspectives in this same convo, and that is what was prioritized 01:35:09 Linda Rudolph: Peter that estimate of the large investment in renewables ignores the billions in tax breaks and subsidies for fossil fuels. 01:36:18 Avery Colter: What of reforestation, promotion of green roofs, urban vegetation, etc to mitigate heat island effect? 01:36:19 Todd Weber: I greatly thank The Climate Center for putting on these Introductions to today’s Climate Complexity 202 level (my summary definition) online classes. We are getting this massive introduction to the variety and contrasts of many of the terms that are being individually cherry-picked for political and commercial gain/advantage. I’ll need to review & re-review the recordings across this series. But I am unaware of a better subject-survey 202 level online course like this. Just my opinion - thanks everyone presenting under time-pressure and especially The Clima!te Center for hosting and managing this series 01:37:18 Beverly DesChaux: yes, use clean energy directly, not to counter burning fossil fuels; just stop the fossils and realize they are just stalling their demise w all of these CCS.CARB believes this CCS nonsense which is stalling our transition and saving climate disasters 01:38:32 Maya Khosla: Wow. That note on the magnitude of subsidies is astounding (not good at all). 01:38:51 Beverly DesChaux: oh yes CA is allowing it! as I said, CARB buys the fossil arguments 01:39:24 Chris Gilbert: Subsidies are driven by industry. Until there's campaign finance reform that will continue. 01:39:27 Greg Rau: Thanks Charlie, completely agree. 01:39:30 Avery Colter: Yeah I always wondered whether the fossils were into producing PV in order to run their pumps to delay peak oil. 01:39:47 Stacie Banks: Like the CFC destruction subsidies, we need to make certain there isn't a way to by-pass the intention of the law. 01:40:15 Christina Scaringe: Thanks Charles—very much agree with the comment re subsidies. 01:40:30 Avery Colter: Yeah, just like those damn thick plastic bags LOL! 01:41:00 Stacie Banks: EOR in Canada is not available for Carbon Dioxide storage. 01:41:28 Asha Sharma, LCJA (she/her): More info on the ADM leak: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/adm-pauses-co2-injection-carbon-capture-storage-site-after-finding-potential-2024-10-02/ 01:41:49 Bib Cliff: Very interesting! I need to read more about these ways to manage more CO2. Any suggestions on these materials. 01:42:27 Maya Khosla: Does anyone have a report of last week's leak @ the Arthur Daniel Midland facility? 01:43:03 Melissa Romero: Maya, Asha just dropped an article on that in the chat! 01:43:31 Avery Colter: Didn't know about that. That should be brought to Pacifica Radio to inform their listeners of this ADM incident. 01:43:32 Asha Sharma, LCJA (she/her): There is a similar project to the ADM plant being proposed in Pixley, CA that would attach CCS to an ethanol plant 01:44:31 Beverly DesChaux: Avery Colter, so do it, inform Pacifica 01:44:38 Asha Sharma, LCJA (she/her): Here is another link about the ADM leak: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/03102024/illinois-carbon-capture-monitoring-well-leak/ 01:44:54 John Sonin: Thanks folks, great to hear your insights! got to run! John Sonin, Douglas, Alaska 01:44:55 Martin Scherwath: @Charly Harvey: I agree that CO2 underground storage is not guaranteed durable, EXCEPT in basalt reservoirs. 01:45:07 Fatima Iqbal-Zubair: Is the industry and private sector regulated enough to ensure that the best and safest technology will always be used? 01:45:08 Maya Khosla: Yes - that reuters report says "potential" leak. 01:46:38 Linda Rudolph: No the safeguards that need to be in place to protect the (generally poor and communities of color) people near all these projects are totally lacking. 01:46:48 Gary Hughes: CDR is by definition one of two categories of geoengineering, the other being ‘solar radiation management’ — why won’t The Climate Center address this reality? It is fundamental to global discussions about governance of geoengineering. https://c2g2.net/glossary/ 01:47:32 Amedeo Feingold: 👏🏼 01:47:45 Bib Cliff: What about putting CO2 into deep parts of the oceans. 01:48:13 Tom Conlon: What about pumping CO2 into the homes of oil & gas executives and bankers? 01:48:25 Tanner Millen: even if we could do DAC safely, isn't the cost and effectiveness prohibitive? 01:48:33 Maya Khosla: Baani - thanks for inviting someone from Satartia to present later. That is a horrific story. 01:48:37 Avery Colter: CO2 in the ocean is already part of the problem; it causes acidification of the water which can be harmful or lethal to marine life. 01:48:55 Jinesse Reynolds: Stopping wars would be a good start. 01:49:24 Stacie Banks: North of the border the first CO2 wells were demonstrations in old oil fields to see if it works, but future wells are to be much deeper (kilometers) and under several cap rock layers The issues we are looking at are more on the possible produced saline water. 01:49:38 Jim Wilson: Ambitious session! Thank you, Baani and panelists 01:49:47 Elizabeth Stampe: Thank you very much! 01:49:56 Emanuel Alcala: Thank you very much! 01:50:02 Beverly DesChaux: Awesome all! thank you! 01:50:02 Fatima Iqbal-Zubair: this was so great!! 01:50:02 Wendy Brawer: terrific & thanks much! 01:50:03 Maya Khosla: Excellent, excellent work! THanks to you all - 01:50:03 The Climate Center: Please join us for our next webinar on October 31st @ 10am. We will cover what was achieved on climate during the 2024 legislative session. Visit this link to register - https://theclimatecenter.org/events/what-the-california-legislature-achieved-on-climate-in-2024/ 01:50:03 Jinesse Reynolds: Thank you! 01:50:06 Stacie Banks: https://cascadeclimate.org/blog/foundations-for-carbon-removal-quantification-in-erw-deployments 01:50:16 Ellie Cohen: Many thanks to Baani and speakers! And Project 2030, Enviro Voters and The Climate Center for coorganizing 01:50:17 Dan Sanchez: Thank you everyone for the opportunity to speak 01:50:23 William Pevec: Good to include competing perspectives. 01:50:25 Kathy Dervin: Thanks all 01:50:34 Jane Sooby: Excellent webinar and moderation. I appreciate the "lightning talk" approach, it allows more voices to be heard. 01:50:35 Tom Conlon: Excellent session, enormous/complex topic, but this is a vital conversation to be having! Thanks Baani, thanks TCC 01:50:37 Linda Rudolph: Thanks so much. 01:50:37 Stacie Banks: Great work All! 01:50:39 Monique Scobey: Great webinar!! I wish every speaker had 30 min so I could get a deeper understanding of each topic. 01:50:49 The Climate Center: Our next CDR series - https://theclimatecenter.org/events/carbon-dioxide-removal-and-communities-learning-from-the-past-planning-for-the-future/ 01:50:53 Robert Kibrick: Thank you for an excellent webinar 01:50:55 Guadalupe Lyn: Excellent presentation!!! 01:50:56 Martin Scherwath: 👏